My Definitive Theory...OR Pure BS. You Decide!

(Please Note. This started small and just kind of got away from me... so apologies in advance for wasting your time. Feedback DEMANDED! I want to know what you all think and I want you to add, tinker whatever... have fun with it, take it places.... just don't be too cruel about spelling. I don't have a checker installed yet...)

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OK Folks. Laying in all down I'll give it a shot. This is my take on the final moments of Anakin and the seed of what would become Vader...

First off.

ANH: Obi-Wan gives Luke Vader's / Anakins 'Saber saying ' Your Father wanted you to have this when you were old enough...' ANH: Vader to Obi-Wan prior to their last battle . ' We meet again at last...'

OK. We can assume the first line might be bollocks. Ben's not into telling Luke the whole 'truth' at this point, but apart from the Vader / Anakin 'cover up', he seems to be accurate with the rest of it. This suggest to me that Vader KNOWS ben will be in some way 'protecting' or 'caring' for Luke, his son. The second line backs up the idea that Vader knows Obi-Wan is alive and well. 'We meet again at last!' I believeVader's expecting Obi-Wan's return! When and where maybe uncertain, but some place, some time....

ESB: Luke and Vader duke it out in Cloud City, the whole 'I am your father' routine.

Now I accept during the hiatus between ANH and ESB, Vader's done a bit of research and discovered who Luke is... But get this, there's no suprise. There's no guessing that 'Obi-Wan never told you...' this that and the other. Vader KNOWS Obi-Wan's been coaching Luke, teaching and informing him.

ESB (actually could well have been ROTJ) : During the fight, 'Obi-Wan has tought you well'. To me that's the clincher! Vader isn't just assuming that because he had a very brief glimpse of some blonde kid around the time he killed Obi-Wan that this is his long lost son taught by Obi-Wan . Vader knows that the possibilty of facing Obi-Wan could well lead to he and his son's paths crossing. Vader's prepared! And that's the deal...

So how does this come about when supposedly Vader was predominantly responsible, at the Emperor's behest, for wiping out as many Jedi as possible? How could he not go after the one man who betrayed him more than any other... Obi-Wan...unless,...unless...

Just beffore his final 'turning' (or I admit, maybe just after) I think this is what hapens:

Anakin sees what's coming. He has a son, his last remaing tie to any emotion other than fear, hatred and the need for ultimate revenge and power! He confronts Obi-Wan (now I think about it I'm more convinced it's in some sort of proto 'post injury / pre bondage gear' Vader). Obi-Wan is at his mercy... Vader / Anakin then makes a monumentally fateful call...

Kenobi is down, His life now entirely in the hands of his former friend and student

'Kenobi. I am beyond the light. I know nothing but rage. I will kill you. You and everything that stands before me. I can not control the hatred and I have nothing precious to hold me back. Only suffering and pain mean anything to me now. Everything I was has been destroyed, everything I cared for, everything that made me Anakin Skywalker has been torn apart and shattered beyond recognition. There is only one thing left I can do before my life is devoured by the Dark Side. I do this for the memory of those I loved and those who were taken away. Lives ruined and wasted by those whose arrogance sought to manipulate and control destiny's not their own.... '

A final tear, the last he will ever shed rolls down his haggered, scarred face...the face of a man twenty years his senior,

'Watch my Son Kenobi. Watch him and protect him and swear he will never stand before me for his sake and yours. And Kenobi, know this! If our paths should ever cross again, I will destroy you. For now you live Kenobi, you will live knowing that you, the last ambasador of the Jedi failed before me and that I had your life in my hands. I spare you. Your life is mine! You will always owe me for that, and so you will be a father to my son. You are a beaten man, no longer a Jedi. That is a burden you will live with for the rest of your days and being who you are, a burden worse than any death I could lend you....'

Now as almost a flippant afterthought, a confident and magnaminous Vader could at this point flip his 'Anakin Sabre' to Obi-Wan saying,

'This is for the boy Kenobi, this will always be a reminder, both to you and to him, of the Jedi's distant, powerless memory' or some other such nonsensical line. (It's late and I'm tired... and I'm hoping you can come up with a lot better dialogue than this)....

So that's my basic gist.

Vader, in a last calm moment, out of a glimmer of respect for Padme and his mother (and a ghostly memory of a young boy many years ago who found albeit fleetingly, a father in the form of a long dead Jedi), passes the responsibilty of fatherhood to Obi-Wan. In return he 'grants' the Jedi life and an 'understanding' that the next time, it's fatal. He leaves Kenobi broken, yet still noble to find his own broken path to redemption...

And Finally just as a whimsy, I would LOVE to see the final showdown between Anakin, Obi-Wan and 'other/s' as a three or four way dance... Imagine for example, Dooku, Anakin and Obi-Wan sizing each other up, sabers crackling, embers surrounding them pacing, pacing... Then all hell breaks loose! Anakin's after Dooku and delving deep in to the Dark Side in order to match him, Obi-Wan desperately trying to protect Anakin, trying to get invoved, trying to take the brunt of Dooku's attention. Dooku doesn't give a shit! He'll take both of them...But he kind of likes this Anakin, he recognises the potential...an apprentice perhaps? He's defending against Anakin, rallying againt Obi-Wan, all the while quietly goading the young man agains't his Master ... (Obi-Wans fault, the Jedi forbade your marriage, your hapiness, the Jedi cost your loved ones, your wife, your mother... their very souls!) .... Obi-Wan 'Dont' believe him Anakin, you must see what he's trying to do to you, to us!'... The battle become closer, more intense, Anakin lost ever more to a deep deep rage, Dooku leering, salivating at the possibilty.... Obi-Wan becoming desperate... It's all gone so horribly out of control, Obi Wan has only one Chance. He has to control Anakin beet him down and suffer the explanations an consolation another, calmer time... But Anakin senses this and at a pivotal moment, blinded by the most intense anger imaginable, he succumbs to Dooku's poisonous words and turns on his teacher.... the end has begun....

Peace all. (phew! Thank F**k that's over

The was SW was written makes it seem like Anakin was a peer, the same age, as ObiWan. It also sounds like Anakin was a jedi for a period, and knew of his infant son. Unfortunately, the way the current movies are unfolding, this is going to just look awkward...

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Absolutely - Vader knows he had a son - though Leia is unrevealed. And he didn't need research either...

Snipping alot of stuff...

It's going to be real interesting to watch what I fully expect to be a very messy attempt to tie the loose ends here...Vader knows he has a child - otherwise they have to hide Padme RIGHT after she becomes pregnant. So, between knocking up Padme and the kids being born, he has to turn to the dark side. Gonna be REAL hard to pull off...

Totally agree with the Anakin as Peer thing. I remember even as a six year old seeing it in the pictures for the first time, thinking of 'Old Ben' and Lukes dad as a couple of late-twenties, early-thirties tear'a'ways who like nothing better than to fly fast, get the bad guys and kick back with a couple of space brewskis. I'll state now; My Biggest Dissapointment to this date re: Star Wars was finding out that Anakin was soooo young when we first kick off. There was no need whatsoever for this and I really don't buy George's rationale behind it. It WAS annoying. It was insulting to be frank (and God bless the kid but he was shockingly poor. So so sorry Jake). But I let it slide. Thing is you're never gonna win in this situation. So many of us have an idea of what should happen, what would be cool if it did happen etc...

The problem lies in that despite some minor variation, an awful lot of 'public' opinion seems to match up... Most are agreed that there is a logical progression to the story based on the original 'sequels'. It doesn't take a genius to see what's coming because we already have the core of it. George's problem so far, appears to be his consistant insistance in trying to alter what he's already laid out, even skeletally. 'Midi F'in Chlorians'! For crying out loud! George, to paraphrase, 'So many of us see it, why can't you?'. You can't just dismiss these glaring, gaping holes George. You can't fob us off with the 'I'm just telling the story as it is' routine. That's just week and ultimately incorrect. You're not teling THE story, you're telling a variation of THE Story.

Lucas was always known for his immaculate 'back story' planning. We know he had it figured out as evidenced by early ANH literature ('Art Of' anyone?) relating to the Film. (I'm not talking EU Bollocks of which 99% percent of EU stuff is. I'm not being anti EU, it's just mostly naff)... Hence the first 'Lynn's Diary' video segment for Episode 1? It was called 'All I need is an Idea'. Ironic?

Long and short of it. Lucas is making it all up as he goes along just like the rest of us. He just seems, to a certain extent, stubbornly intent on trying to rewrite what already exists and therein lies the problem.

I love Star Wars and I'll take what's put before me. I loved AOTC and will see it a few more times (unlike TPM ). It just seems strange to me that when so many 'fans' clearly have a slightly more consistant idea of where the story should be going, the originator seems to have lost the plot...

Venger, I can only hope you're wrong about III. I think we might be suprised and IMO AOTC was a step in the right direction (A big one in fact although I know you'll disagree).

Time will tell.

peace

You explain 'turning to the dark side' as like losing your memory and becoming someone else. I don't think that would be the case, yet its a nice theory. I think it might come down to propaganda, lies and blackmail or something which drives anakin to the dark side

I once had an equally kock-eyed idea.

Dark Horse comics has a series called 'Dark Empire', it includes events surounding the momentary return of Plapintin the land of the living, and the Birth of Anakin Solo. However the main plot involves Luke desided to go 'secrete agent'. he gives himself over the empiror in an atempt to learn the secretes of the Sith, and use those secretes against him. Something about the story gave me the impression that Anakin might have tried to do the same thing.

The plot of Ep3 ('The Last Mission' would involve Aankin flirting with the dark side then pulling back. Anakin, Padme, and Obi-Wan then spend some time hiding with the Lairs family was the galaxy burns around them. Padme discover she is pragent and they pounder how they could rise a child in mist of this chaos. Then after everyone has gone to bed Aankin slips away leaving his lightsaber and hologram saying;

'Obi-Wan, I have felt the power of the Sith, and I know now that it can only be destroyed from within. I am going to Palpitin. There I will either learn how to destroy the Sith once and for all, or be destroyed by them. If I should be destroyed I beg of you, watch over Padme and watch over our son, teach him the ways of the Jedi as you tough me, he will be our last hope.'

Then the last scene in the film would be that of Anakin walking alone across the desert with the Imperial March as background music.

Granted those who want to see the mask come one will be disapointed; but, it would leave things abigious enough to not contradict anything in ANH, and wold fit very well with ROTJ.