Master Sifo-Dyas (HUGE HUGE SPOILERS) the real thing...

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The combined making of AOTC in Greek TV has some new scenes and dialogue, like some views of Kamino, the approach of Obi-Wan's ship to Kamino and to Geonosis, the explosion of the Naboo ship right at the start, the fight between the Jedis and the battle droids, Anakin's and Amidala's flirt in Naboo, the fight between Obi-Wan and Jengo Fett in the Hangar and of the space battle between them, Anakin chopping off the Tusken Raider as he exits the tent. Anakin carrying something with a bitter look (his mother's body?) as the Lars and Amidala watch him. There is behind the scenes footage and also excerpts from interviews by George Lucas, Portman, Christopher Lee, Samuel Jackson, Ewan Mcgregor, Hayden. The particular scene (the whole scene) where Obi-wan informs the two masters, Mace Windu and Yoda about his findings on Kamino ends the making of. New info of the pronunciation of some names. The Nabou homeworld was pronounced Ne-bou by George Lucas. Dooku's name was pronounced Du-ku by Christopher Lee. George Lucas said that he wanted an actor wise and older like Alec Guinness and described Dooku as a Good Jedi (!!!) who has been through alot. I am putting here the whole transcript from that scene, which creates lots of questions.

EXT. JEDI TEMPLE, LIVING QUARTERS - EARLY EVENING YODA and MACE WINDU listen as a hologram of OBI-WAN stands between them broadcasting the message. The room is dark and only the two Jedi Masters are present. The signal is indeed very weak, the image fades in and out.

OBI-WAN (V.O.) I have successfully made contact with the Prime Minister of Kamino. They are using a Bounty Hunter named Jango Fett to create a clone army. I have a strong feeling that this bounty hunter is the assassin we are looking for.

MACE WINDU Do you think these Cloners are involved in the plot to assassinate the senator Amidala?

OBI-WAN (V.O.) No, Master. There appears to be no motive.

YODA Don't assume anything, Obi-Wan. Clear your mind must be if you are to discover the real villains behind this plot.

OBI-WAN (V.O.) Yes Master. (pause) They said Master Sifo-Dyas placed an order for a clone army at the request of the Senate almost ten years ago. I was under the impression that he was killed before that...

Non verbal reaction between MACE WINDU and YODA. They know something more than OBI-WAN.

OBI-WAN (V.O. Continued) ... Did the Council ever authorize the creation of a clone army?

MACE WINDU No, who ever placed that order did not have the authorization of the Jedi Council.

YODA Bring him here. Question him we will.

OBI-WAN (V.O.) Yes, Master. I will report back when I have him.

The hologram switches off, and OBI-WAN fades away.

YODA Blind we are! This creation of a clone army we could not see.

MACE WINDU Hmmm... I think it is time we inform the Senate that our ability to use the force has diminished.

YODA Only the Dark Lord of the Sith knows of our weakness. If informed the Senate is, multiply our adversaries will.

MACE WINDU stares back at YODA, then slowly shakes his head.

That's a wrap. Revelations: Yoda, Mace and Obi-wan all know Sifo-Dyas. Sifo-Dyas is a former Jedi Master and does exist. Yoda knows that the Sith are behind this.

Questions: Why did Sifo-Dyas fake his death?Is he a Sith? An ally of the Sith? The apprentice of Sidious?Or the head of a new pair of Sith working together? Sifo-Dyas the Master and Dooku his apprentice? And Sidious still searching for a new one? The existence of Sifo-Dyas means that he cannot be Sidious. Unless Sidious posed as the dead Jedi to cover his tracks. If that is the case why did he reveal his true identity to the Trade Federation (Hi, I am Lord Sidious, Sith, and you are?) and not to the Cloners of Kamino? If Sifo-Dyas is still alive then what do Windu and Yoda know about him, that they do not tell to Obi-Wan? This reminds me of the theory that Yoda and Obi-Wan manipulated Luke to get to Vader. We see now Yoda and Mace to manipulate Obi-Wan to get to the Sith? Or to another secret? How does Yoda know that the Dark Lord of the Sith knows their weakness? If they are blind he cannot be sure. What haven't we be told about the Sith? Yoda seems to be pretty confident that the Master of the Sith is alive, and that his apprentice was killed after all. This means that the Sith are behind the creation of the clone army, according to Yoda. If that is the case why Yoda uses the clones in the events to come, if he thinks they were created by the Sith? The request of finding Sifo-Dyas seems that Yoda now is confident that he is alive. They cannot be asking Obi-Wan to find Jengo Fett (because Fett's name was mentioned earlier on and Obi-Wan's questions are directed to the status of the former Jedi Master) and to question him (looks illogical, they would have pointed out clearly, find this bounty Hunter). Two things: Is Sifo-Dyas one of the lost 20, like Dooku? Or is he a good Jedi, perhaps a former Shadow Jedi (the ones who are responsible for penetrating the ranks of the Dark Jedi)? If this dialogue in the circulating AOTC script is true (when Jango and Obi-Wan meet):

TAUN WE Sido-Dyas told us to expect him. And he showed up just when your Jedi Master said he would. We have kept the Jedi's involvement a secret until your arrival, just as your Master requested.

Does this mean that Sifo-Dyas is a Good Jedi? How could he know that Obi-Wan would be showing up on Kamino? And why would Darth Sidious (if he is posing as Sifo-Dyas) know that Obi-Wan will be going there?

Well, hope that the movie will tell us more.

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Ah but think about this: Sidious could very well be Sifo-Dyas after all but is using 'Sifo-Dyas' as a pseudo. The 2 names are just close enough that only someone who knows of the name 'Sidious' would raise an eyebrow.

Supposing I posed as 'Rindi-bowe Hirunne'? See?

-Rainbow Heron (sig hopes that RH never poses as 'Rindi-bowe Hirunne'

I could see where Sidious changed his name around a bit on the order form so that when Dateline NBC came to call, they'd have to do some major digging.

Wouldn't it be for Sidious a little bit TOO convenient to find a name of a dead jedi that sounds like his own name? Why would you use a name that sounds like your own in the first place? Illogical. If that was the case then he wouldn't be called Palpatine, but Da'rSi' Dyus!

Of all the gin joints in all the world, iakovos walks into mine

I think this is a load of ol'bol'orks

Yeah, Im in the process of reading the book and the first thing I thought was that Sidious or Dooku were posing as Sifo-Dyas to get the clone army created, the Sith wouldnt want to use them in the first place anyway, becuase Papatine is basically bidding his time in the Senate until he's sees his oportunity to take over and start the Empire, this would obviously take an army of some sort.......Remind you of anything?

As far as the seperatists, Palpatine has obviously instructed Dooku to pursue this movement to cause trouble in the republic and give Palpatine an excuse to get away with this little army trick of his.

But I have a feeling Palpatine knows that he needs Anakin, I think the Emperor has forseen Vader, and knows he will, along with Boba Fett and other bounty hunters, hunt down and destroy the Jedi.

I think Sifo Dyas did actually die, I dont think that he is one of the lost numbers, but Obi Wan seems to think that he was a in position of very high power in the Jedi council, maybe even holding Mace Windus or Yodas position...One of the Kaminoans tells Obi Wan - 'Please tell your Master Sifo-Dyas.....'

Heres a thought, maybe Sifo Dyas trained either Mace Windu or Yoda, and thats why they look so shocked to here of the use of his name to create the

Or this: if Sidious = Sifo-Dyas (which I think is the case) and they know that Sidious/Sifo-Dyas is a Force user of some sort (maybe not necessarily a Sith as the Trade Federation knew), then the Kamino guys would have to assume that Sidious/Sifo-Dyas is a Jedi.

Remember, the Sith are supposedly extinct and the only group that suspects otherwise are the Jedi. So it's natural for anybody other than the Jedi to assume that *any* Force user would be a Jedi. And if the assumed Jedi speaks with great authority, then it would naturally be assumed that the guy is a Jedi Master.

Yes Windu and Yoda are shocked- but they are shocked to hear that a supposed Jedi would do all of this because they know that a fellow Jedi wouldn't...which gives credence to the 'Sith have returned' theory of theirs.

Sidious is a masquerader. I believe he'd use a psuedo and make it obvious that he's a Force user, but not necessarily Sith. If Sidious wants to *discredit* the Jedi in the eyes of the Republic, then I think he might let on to the Kamino guys that he's a Jedi.

-Rainbow Heron (sig should point out that RH has not read the books or seen a preview of the movie)

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

a la Google

Too convenient = too obvious = no he didn't use the name of a dead Jedi

Ever see those Dateline or Law and Order things where they're tracking a con artist or a cheating husband? Lots of times they'll keep their first name and change their last name when they change locations.

It's not illogical at all.

Just easy.

Nah, that'd be Darcy Dious.

Still, I'd rather wait for the movie. (less than 48 hours to go)

-Rainbow Heron (sig would be gis)

As in 'haggis' there sig?

The problem with this is if we assume that Sidious is Palpatine, then Yoda et al would recognise him and wonder why Sifo-Dyas was using the name Palpatine.

That's why it creates a bigger mystery.

Why NOT use them? And why let his enemies use his own army?

For me, it looks more of: 'Sifo-Dyas? We had planned something with him... and a clone army is what he has done?'

My view exactly...

There must be something deeper than a simple mentioning of a known name to them. Yoda and Windu look like 'oh, shit, where did HE come from? We told him to do that etc.' Just an example.

Not necessarily. The Kamino guys are far away from the republic to assume that the Sith are no more.

There is no reason whatsoever for any Force user to demonstrate his use of the force. Why do it anyway? Sidious doesn't do it in any encounter, and Maul too (while speaking with the Trade Federation guys).

Too far fetched. And besides, Yoda does not connect the one with the other. He only points out that they are blind and the Sith know that.

Discredit on what grounds? Doe not make sense.

Yall aren't thinking right. Now lets set this straight, "Sifo Dyas" was a Jedi Master on the Jedi Councel. Darth Sidious didn't know that "Sifo" was dead so told the kaminoins that he was "Dyas" so the Councel couldn't reconize him because they didn't see him tell the kaminoins. So the only evedience Sidious left them was the name and of course the kaminoins wouldn't of known because they've never seen him before so they really thought it was "Sifo Dyas"

DUUUUUUUUUHHH!!!!!!!!

CASE CLOSED!!!!!!